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mc.) (21.2.2006 09:53:55)

Přátelé ČESKÝ TELECOM nedoporučuji, je to peklo, po požádání o zrychlení, mi to již týden nefunguje a ať tam volám jak tam volám, vždy řeknou, že toho mají teď mnoho, HNUS HNUS

Anonym (21.2.2006 09:59:44)

Já tam volám kazdy den od 4.2 aby mi to prendali na 2048 Extreme .. Na webu mam porad vyzadano a oni se porad vymlouvaji .. Je to tak smesne az to boli

Anonym (21.2.2006 10:53:26)

A to je ono: Všichni operátoři a technici ČTc jsou zcela vytíženi odpovídáním na opakované zbytečné dotazy puberťáků a nemají čas pracovat!

David (21.2.2006 13:08:16)

Hahahaha, tak to je vtip roku , tohleto :-)

Anonym (21.2.2006 13:20:11)

Proc kdyz si o to jeden zazada a ma to do pul hodiny a druhy si zazada a nema to vubec .. Asi ten operator ci technik nema naladu .. Maji to tam uplne podelane

Anonym (21.2.2006 13:22:38)

Protoze pepíku všichni nejsou píchnutý do stejnýho prvku a protože každej z nich má jiný dráty a nachází se v jiný části republiky.

Kaplan (21.2.2006 15:04:30)

Co to meleš o drátech takový kolos jako je ČESKÝ TELECOM a s tou reklamou co beží v bedne by snad měl být připravenej když machruje že je první na trhu.

Korok (21.2.2006 17:34:27)

tak ať nedávají všude ty reklamy že se 4x bude zrychlovat net když moc dobře ví že o to bude velký zájem a nebude to možné udělat ihned každému !!!! To mě múže nejvíc nastvat když někdo na něco dělá reklamu a přitom to nemůže uskutečnit!

noname (21.2.2006 17:56:29)

dalsi neuroticka lamicka :-) videl jsi KDEKOLIV v tech "vyjebanych reklamach" napsano neco ve smyslu "zrychleni bude provedene ihned"? ja tedy ne. vsude je receno pouze to, ze se bude 4x zrychlovat. pokud do toho pletes svoje zbozna prani "mamiiiiii jaaaa chciiii ten rychlejsi net HNEEEED", nediv se, ze se vztekas.

Kaplan (21.2.2006 18:55:33)

Ty noname dival jses na stranky telecomu asi ne bo ty budeš asi zaměstnanec pokud už mam službu 3Mbs. za 799 bez DPH a jedu v průměru 900kbs. tak zaco potom asi platím. Ale tvoje nevědomost mě nepřekvapuje

Bob (22.2.2006 23:16:00)

Mám dojem, že ty 3Mbps jsou negarantovaná maximální rychlost a na lince je agregace 1:50, takže je silně nepravděpodobné, že bys této rychlosti někdy dosáhl.

Anonym (22.2.2006 23:59:41)

Co vím, tak maximum na ADSL ČTc je cca 82% objednané rychlosti.

Anonym (23.2.2006 13:34:25)

Co mate z toho ja mam broadband 512/128(1:20) bezi mi to cca.420kB/s. 23.1.06 jsem si zazadal na zvyseni rychlosti a porad se nic nedeje- bylo to jeste pred tim nez 4x zvysili tu rychlost!! Dali tam ted az smesne nizne FUPy. Tak teda nevim! budu cekat! Snad se to casem spravi:-(!! Pokud by mi nezapojili ten sprint o ktery jsem si toho 23.1 pozadal myslite si, ze se bude 4x navysovat rychlost i toho broadbandu?? Volal jsem na CTc ale kazdy mi tam rekl neco jinyho!! Nevite?

cilek (23.2.2006 17:32:37)

A proč to chceš měnit, když ti to jede víc než 6x rychleji než za co platíš?

Anonym (23.2.2006 18:07:12)

Tady si nekdo plete bit a byte .. Tak se nediv

Anonym (23.2.2006 14:14:39)

Ty jsi jiste taky od CTc .. Tohle je totiz jejich vymluva .. I kdyby to jelo 0,5KB/s .. Tak byste se stejne vymluvili na agregaci .. Jeste ze ji nekdo vymyslel, jinak by byl telecom v hajzlu

Anonym (23.2.2006 14:19:37)

No tak to by tak odpovidalo sdilene lince ale agregovane lince by odpovidala rychlost tak 2,5Mbps

xx85 (24.2.2006 14:10:49)

Asi netušíš co je agregace viď?

Honza z Kladna (25.2.2006 14:42:00)

TAk mam stejnej problem.Měl sem linlu 1 mb/s a zvedli mi to na 3 mb/s.Ale fungovalo to jenom dva dny a ted mi to jede jenom 930 Kb/s.Když jim volamtak pořád že to daj technikum,ale ještě se mi jani jednou ten technik neozval a to už sem tam volal i před třema měsícema kvuli jinýmu problemu.Že by jim trvalo 3 měsíce řešeni 1 problemu?Kdo máte ještě stejný zkušenosti???

Danik (26.2.2006 00:11:50)

Nechci nijak chytračit, ale problém je v tom, že mají ještě spoustu ústředen jen na 10Mbit rychlostech. No a tam, kde to není moc vytížené, tam to mohli zrychlit (aspoň někomu). Tam kde to vytížené je, tam se musí počkat, až to zvýší (myslím, že 100Mbit). Je mi líto těch, kteří si o rychlost zažádali, byla jim potvrzena (třeba za těch 5 dnů) a nedostali ji. Upřímně ale nechápu někoho, kdo píše, že to není pravda, že jemu to zrychlili.. Tak mu to zrychlili, je to pěkné a přejme mu to, ale není pěkné, že obhajuje někoho, kdo se na to rozšiřování vůbec nepřipravil.¨ Ty ústředny měly zrychlovat už v lednu a ne v Březnu..!! Jinak já osbně nemám ani to DSL, protože jsme mimo dosah :( Snad vám to brzo zrychlí.. Mějte se

noname (21.2.2006 12:03:01)

boze muj, vy jste ale lamciky, dostavate zrychleni jako darek zadarmo a vy se muzete zblaznit ze ho dostanete o par dni pozdeji ja osobne byt v pozici telecomu tak takovym troubum nic nezrychlim, holt kdyz se nekomu nelibi ze dostane neco zadarmo a musi si na to pockat tak nedostane nic

pepan (21.2.2006 12:42:54)

Moje rec ;)

Petr (21.2.2006 12:50:29)

Asi budeš velký vtipálek, nebo blb.

Anonym (21.2.2006 17:43:22)

seš trouba jak se patří

noname (21.2.2006 17:53:01)

to je klidne mozne ze jsem trouba, ale skutecne nejsem tak velky trouba abych knucel, kdyz neco, co je zadarmo, nedostanu hned ;o)

Anonym (23.2.2006 17:54:51)

Přesně, kdo chce víc nemá nic!!! Buďte rádi, že nám něco TELECOM dal zadáčo!!!

xx85 (24.2.2006 14:07:16)

Zadarmo? Zadarmo dneska ani kuře nehrabe, nic vám nedali zadarmo, stejný rychlosti jako má telecom maj i jiný poskytovatelé a ceny jsou tam i nižší.

Anonym (24.2.2006 14:17:58)

To nic nemění na faktu že za to nechtěli peníze=zadarmo

xx85 (24.2.2006 14:22:41)

A kdepak budou ty peníze zahrnutý? V dalších měsíčních vyučtováních. Někdo řekne že je něco zadarmo, a půlka národa se může zbláznit. Zadarmo ti nikdo nic nedá, ty prachy jim zaplatíš akorát si myslíš že ne.

někdo někde (25.2.2006 21:48:43)

Jak zadarmo, vždyť platím ty samé peníze jako nový zákazník,který má službu zřízenou do 7 dnů!!!

Sergey (26.2.2006 00:06:00)

Do 7 dnů, no jak kdo, můj švagr už čeká na zřízení bez týdne 3 měsíce.

zet (23.2.2006 22:58:22)

zrychlení jako dárek!!! ty seš uplne mimo a asi děláš v telecomu

J.I.R.I.S (21.2.2006 12:24:32)

Jako to si myslíte,že vám to zvednou hned????to ste blazni víte kolik lidí má aDSL???spoustu!!!!prostě to nestíhaj,tak si pockejte!!

Anonym (21.2.2006 13:17:50)

Problem je v tom ze prez web to ma probehnout zcela bezproblemu a hned .. Todle je jen prace techniky

mr_dadi (25.2.2006 04:02:23)

nevidim duvod proc by ti tam nechteli dat IE extrem, rozhodne je to drezsi sluzba nez IE takze by to pro ne byl lepsi kseft nemyslis? sami sebe preci nebudou okradat o vydelek .... takze asi nekde pri migraci sluzby musel vzniknout problem ktery se sam neodstrani .... vyresi to automaty novou konfiguraci karty na dslamu ... cas prinasi ruze :)

Krokodýl (21.2.2006 10:13:34)

Já jim zavolal v neděli ráno a už večer mi to zrychlili

Anonym (21.2.2006 11:32:49)

Ses luckor co na to rict :P

Kaplan (21.2.2006 10:40:23)

Máš pravdu je to fialový hnus já se hadám už od 2.2. Mám mít 3075 a jedu průměr 836. Jo toje ten náš ČESKÝ TELECOM paráda co?

David (21.2.2006 13:09:08)

Že stojí telecom za kulový ví snad každej, nebo ty snad ne?

tommy (21.2.2006 15:08:04)

mě to zrychlily za 1 den.....Jede to jen o 50 míň než má...máte holt smůlu..

Anonym (21.2.2006 18:23:01)

Včera jsem jim volal že jsem si zažádal 2.2 a pořád nic.Baba povídala že na to mají 5 dní a že to prověří.Po chvíly povídá že to je zrychlený už od 2.2.Na to jí povídám že v mém kontě je pořád že je zažádáno a aktivní je stará rychlost.Dala mi za pravdu po chvíly hledání(asi se nevyznají ani na svých stránkách).Že to předá technikům a dají vědět.Ještě ani neodpověděli ani nezrychlily.Zítra volám znova.Jsou to žlutý k...y.

nechapajici (21.2.2006 18:39:10)

jsou to zluty ku...vy proto, ze ti zadarmo navysi rychlost? nebo jsou to zluty ku...vy proto, ze ti neslibili kdy ti ji navysi ale ty bys rad hned? nak se v tom neorientuju S:-(

kubhicheck (21.2.2006 18:40:45)

no, me nto zrychlili behem 4 hodin... tak nevim...

nechapajici (21.2.2006 18:46:59)

a z toho plyne co? ze jsou to zluty ku...vy z nejakyho jinyho duvodu?

Anonym (21.2.2006 18:54:34)

jo z principu

nechapajici (21.2.2006 19:00:59)

aha, tak tohle konecne chapu... takze ve skutecnosti jde o nejaky druh psychozy :o)

Anonym (23.2.2006 14:10:26)

Ty mas dlouhe vedeni .. Nesedis si na nem ?

Anonym (24.2.2006 07:35:07)

On má vedení od telecomu,tak se nediv:c)))

Anonym (21.2.2006 18:50:59)

bohužel tvrdila že to už navýšený je.Kdybych se neozval,tak se na mě vykašlali úplně.Tvrdila že na to navýšení mají 5 dní.Dnes je ale 21.2.Podle tvrzení to mělo makat teda už 7.2

nechapajici (21.2.2006 18:58:11)

pokud vim, tak na to navyseni maji cas radove nekolik tydnu. prave proto oficialne nikomu nic neslibovali. a nevykaslali by se na tebe, migrace probiha automaticky. taky si vem, kolik prace jim zabere, kdyz denne musej vyridit stovky telefonatu od neurotickejch nedockavcu, porad neco proverovat atd. atd. (ackoliv by vubec nemuseli na podobny otazky odpovidat), pri tak masivnich zmenach v siti je obtizny cokoliv vysledovat. kdybyste je nechali delat jejich praci, uz by to meli zrychleny vsichni.

Anonym (23.2.2006 14:09:10)

Ale telecom enridi jeden clovek .. Ti co zvedaj telefonaty jsou za to placeni .. Kdyby jim nikdo nevolal tak by tam vubec byt nemuseli

Anonym (23.2.2006 14:08:01)

To mi rikali taky

v.denny (21.2.2006 18:53:48)

no tak na zrychlení si tedy jeste pockas -:) ja uz cekam mesic, dneska jsem zjistil na kontu ze mi to pro jistotu prepsali abych s tim zbytecne nespechal. Ja uz nespecham menim to v Kvetnu za kabelovku. A zlutas letos potahne z domu.

Thunderboltek (22.2.2006 20:08:53)

Přátelé, kamarádi, lamentovat nad vypečeným postupem ČTc nic nezmění. Pišme jim, reklamujme, volejme, publikujme, stěžujme si, argumentujme! Tohle ČTc podělal, jak mohl! Je nemyslitelné, aby dva zákaznící bydlící cca 100 m od sebe, užívající stejnou síť, měli rozdílné parametry stejné služby. Kdo zaplatí stávajícím zákazníkům ten rozdíl? Mě na hotline řekli, že se mi může stát, že ke zvýšení rychlosti dojde až v dubnu. Požádal jsem 2. 2., ale už dva lidé na hotline se prokecli, že mojí objednávku zrušili a posunuli termín zadání jednou na 14.2. a podruhé na 21.2. V aplikaci Moje konto je ale původní z 2.2. To je mazec. Kdoví od koho má pan Kraus internet a jakou rychlost? Ví vůbec, co nabízí? V normálním konkurenčním prostředí by si ty kabely mohli omotat kolem krku. Ano, naletěl jsem Českému Telecomu, ale tohle je nehoráznost a se seriozním podnikáním to nemá nic společného! Budou se chovat tak, co jim dovolím !!! Hrr na něéééé !!!

Jirka (23.2.2006 20:26:07)

Souhlasim s tebou..me to taky pekne s.re. Cekam na to pres tri tydny a furt nic....na infolinkach snad nic neumi, dokonce mi tam tu moji zadost ani nezaznamenali a ja jsme cekl jeden tyden v nadeji, ze budu mit rychlejsi net,ale ono se vlastne nic nedelo.Pak mi pro zmenu tvrdili, ze to bude do 24 hodin...po par dnech do 48 hodin a ted uz rikaji od konce brezna....at jde telecom nekam.

Tash (22.2.2006 20:32:50)

Buďte rádi, že vůbec neco máte. Každý si tady stěžuje jako malé děcko. Něco má..a když nedostane víc tak kolem sebe kope. Si jako myslíte že na té ustredně v Telecomu je nějakej kouzelenej dedek který mávne proutkem a vám se zvysí rychlost?? Uvědomuje si tady vubec nekdo jak je to rozsahlý system??? A kolik lidí chce zrychlit internet? A navíc nejedná se jen o internet ale komplet vsechny sluzby... Je mi z vás na blití když si stěžujete ještě na operátorky či operatory. Ti lidi co tam sedí tak mluví pouze z toho co maji pred sebou..tzn z pocítače..a vy jste takový hrdinové že jim za to nadavate...no to je mi ale rozum. Takto bychom mohli vsichni nadavat na plynarnu, elektrarny...vodu..zdrazovani..proste vsechno. Cim se cloveku dava vic .. tim se zvysuji naroky i bezohlednost. Chapu, ze se kolikrat stane to ze se proste do Telecomu nedovolate protoze jsou obsazene linky..ale co vas napadne jako první?? Servat toho dotycneho na druhym konci. Ten dotycny je lidska osoba...hrdinove. Nic neni dokonale..a uz vubec ne vy samotni. Je mi z toho zle co tady ctu...radeji se zamyslete sami nad sebou a nad svyma chybama... a ne tady nadavat na to jak to ze nemate do tri dnu zrychlenej internet.....chjo. Priority...

Thunderboltek (22.2.2006 22:24:53)

Nemohu se nezeptat. Pracujete pro Telecom ? Když na to ČTc nemá, tak ať to nenabízí ! Když chci o lidí peníze musím počítat s tím, že budu muset makat. Těch lidí je mi líto, ale na druhou stranu - každý může něco ovlivnit! Pracuji pro společnost, která taky provozuje informační linky, ale kdybych se choval ke klientům tímto způsobem, tak mám botu na zádech. Není výjimkou, že se pracovníci na hotlinkách ČTc baví nahráváním nespokojených klientů a úmyslně je provokují, aby mohli hovor ukončit. Možná jsou k tomu i školeni. Nejvíc mi vadí, že lžou !!! Howgh. Hledám jiného ISP, který si bude vážit zákazníka a bude se chovat slušně !!!

Anonym (24.2.2006 07:51:47)

Tak o tom velice pochybuji, ze zrovna vy, máte neco společného s informacními linkami. Mohu vás ujistit, ze operátoři informacních linek nemají cas se bavit nahráváním telefonátů nespokojených zákazníků, ale dělá to automat...jako operátor by jste to vedel. Co se týce nespokojených zákazníků, jejich práce je pomoci jim vyřešit problém a ne je vyprovokovat k ukončení hovoru, za to peníze nedostanou...leda tak výpověd. Jako operátor, trenér, manažer, nebo jiný pracovník zabývající se informacními linkami by jste to MUSEL vedet. Z toho mi vyplývá a) bud ve vámi uvedené firme vůbec nepracujete b) zastáváte pozici, která nemá s hlavní náplní této firmy žádnou spojitost a moc o tomto oboru nevíte c) jste jen zastydlý puberták Nepracuji pro telecom ani jsem nevidel, ze by v reklame slibovali navýšení ihned, nebo do nejakého časového horizontu. Mají prý 300 000 přípjek a to uz je sakra porce na zmenu parametru.

Anonym (24.2.2006 08:43:10)

Ale neni to problém zvládnout za dva dny pomocí inteligetních skriptů. Imho to telecomáci dělají ručně protože na poslední chvíli si vzpoměl nějakej managor.

Capi (25.2.2006 23:29:12)

Mily anonyme, okomentoval si skoro celej prispevek a na tu nejdulezitejsi vetu si zapomnel; dopln k ni prosim komentar stejnym stylem jako ke zbylemu: Když na to ČTc nemá, proc to nabizi? (za sebe bych doplnil: proc se nejdriv nepripravi?).

Bob (22.2.2006 23:10:08)

Souhlas! Ale tohle platí obecně, nejen pro vztah k ČT. - Lidi by si měli častěji vzpomenout na to, že jsou lidi a chovat se k sobě vzájemně lidsky -....ale to už je téma hodně off topic ADSL.... ;-)))

Anonym (23.2.2006 14:06:21)

Kdyby v ČTc pracovali lidi dobrovolně nikoliv za peníze tak bych se tvému příspěvku nedivil ale takhle se divím hodne :D

František (22.2.2006 23:29:06)

Doporučuji přečíst si na http://www.internetexpres.cz/web/cz/migrace/navod/index.html poslední větu: "Vyrozumění o provedené změně obdržíte do několika pracovních dnů na Váš kontaktní e-mail." Kdyby toto byla pravda, nebude tu tolik negativních reakcí. Já jsem poprvé urgoval nenavýšení až po týdnu (e-mailem na TECHHELP), druhou po 14 dnech, ale od té doby tam e-mailuji skoro denně, protože jinak bych skutečně mohl čekat do dubna, přičemž někomu to bylo navýšeno v řádu hodin, někomu v řádu dnů, a my co si stěžujeme v řádu týdnů. Za normálních okolností se vytvoří fronta a požadavky se uspokojují v pořadí jak došly. Zde to však vypadá, že se vyřizují (některé) nové žádosti, a ty staré se vymazávají a zadávají znova. Já tam mám poslední nesmazanou žádost z 21.2., ačkoli první jsem zadal 2.2. (smazána 15.2.) a mezitím mi byly smazány 2 žádosti. Jinak jsem zaslal souhrnnou informaci Janu Krausovi (přes Kontakt na www.jankraus.cz) aby věděl, jakému produktu propůjčil v TV reklamě svoji tvář a hlas. Současně jsem mu navrhl, aby do talk shaw "Uvolněte se, prosím" pozval p. Simona Burckhartda (ti, co dostali jeho dopis, vědí proč).

v.denny (23.2.2006 22:30:42)

perfektní nápad :-)

František (24.2.2006 11:39:26)

A funguje to! JK to přeposlal na ČTc, tam přestaly obstrukce, 22.2. mi to nastavili v aplikaci MOJE KONTO a v komunikaci ADSL modem - DSLAM, a po půlnoci z 22/23.2. se zvedla i datová rychlost.

Anonym (25.2.2006 14:13:36)

Aha, troska zahorkleho vtipu, trochu konzervativizmu, spetka arogance a je tu Kraus - idol malomestactva a lidicek, kteri vzdy chteji na neco nadavat.

František (25.2.2006 15:03:00)

Vážený pane Anonyme, pokud jste tou charakteristikou mínil mě, tak ji beru; rozhodně nehodlám čekat další týdny či měsíce, když některým "vyvoleným" bylo navýšení rychlosti provedeno v řádu hodin či dní, jenom proto, že si ČTc pořídil jako objednávkový systém softwarový zmetek. Pokud jste jí mínil "toho fešáka" Jana Krause, tak vám sděluji, že on (na rozdíl od Vás) v mém případě zafungoval jako katalyzátor, to co 18 dní bez udání rozumného důvodu nešlo, bylo hotovo za 56 hodin. A to oceňuji, mohl moji informaci hodit do koše (honorář za reklamu mu ČTc určitě nezvýší, ale dal mi tím najevo, že mu není jedno, jaký produkt propaguje).

Anonym (25.2.2006 15:07:12)

jo určitě ti to zvýšil Kraus, ha ha ha

František (25.2.2006 15:30:28)

Vážený pane Anonyme, přečtěte si laskavě můj přispěvek z 24.2.2006 11:39.

Anonym (25.2.2006 14:14:11)

Dobry prispevek !!!

valik (26.2.2006 03:29:16)

Plne s Vami souhlasim. Staci si uvedomit, ze puvodni objednavka byla smluvena na sluzbu 4xPOMALEJSI")... Je zde ale problem a to TELEKOMU, ktery proste a jednoduse ma klamavou reklamu...zrychlujeme od 1.2. a jeste u vsech")...coz pravda neni...skutecnost je takova, ze plan automaticke migrace je do konce brezna, snad")...kdy vse ovlivnuji Automaty,ktere zvladaji denne maximalne 4000 pozadavku...pokud zakaznik je zapojen na kvalitni ustredne probehne vse v prubehu necele hodiny, pokud ale nastane jakykoliv problem automaty se zaseknou a a a clovek je pak nestastny") a vola")...a bezny operator s tim vazne nic neudela, vse pak ma na starost externi helpdesk a kolizni technici, na ktere kontakt neni, pro jistotu")...vse se pak zadava rucne a to trva...a pro Vas nedockavce")jedna rada : CHCE TO KLID") zbytecne si kazite den, stejne to nepomuze")volejte, urgujte, me po tydnu net pustili a dokonce je i rychlejsi")

Kamil (27.2.2006 13:32:43)

Včera jsem ti děkoval,za tvůj příspěvek a byl řádně odeslán..Byl v podobném duchu jako následný od valika... dneska ten svůj tady nevidím. Takže ještě jednou, díky za tvůj rozumný postoj.

Jihra (22.2.2006 20:57:58)

Jak už jsem někde poznamenal - pokud si někdo pořídí ADSL od Telecomu nebo na základě velkoobchodní nabídky Telecomu, tak jej mohou omluvit pouze dvě věci: 1/ Jiné ADSL není u něj dostupné. 2/ Má IQ nižší než 40. Já mám třeba Sky FlexiDSL 4096, agregace 1:40, bez FUP a datového omezení od SkyNetu za 1199 Kč měsíčně (bez DPH) a naprosta pohoda - a to jedině proto, že se jedná o Telenor nikoliv Telecom.

Anonym (24.2.2006 09:17:15)

Chytrolíne, sám máš IQ -40, co myslíš, proč se cpeme k ČT, když např. Telenor u nás nemá sítě ????

Anonym (25.2.2006 14:07:22)

A ty si preslabikuj co pise v bode 1/ :)

David (24.2.2006 10:23:15)

Moc tady nemachruj. Sky FlexiDSL Natural 4096 stojí 1299 Kč bez DPH. Agregace je 1:50. A limit je 20 GB. Takze se priste radsi poradne podivej, co mas za pripojeni, nez tady zacnes machrovat. http://adsl.skynet.cz/index.php?p=4&r=2

Dalimil (22.2.2006 21:12:30)

PRO VŠECHNY KECÁLISTY V TOMTO THREADU - kdybyste, pokud jste se službou nespokojeni, místo keců smlouvu zrušili udělali byste nejlíp. Nemuseli byste nadávat a ČT by se třeba při velkém odlivu zákazníků chytil za nos.

Bob (22.2.2006 23:04:46)

Nikdy bych si nepomyslel, že někdy řeknu to, co teď řeknu - ale já jsem službou Internet Expres docela nadšen. Nemám jinou možnost, než využívat ČT jako providera, ale zatím toho nelituji (službu používám zatím jen 2 dny - tak doufám, že nejásám předčasně ;-))) Pingy jsou jediněčně rychlý, přenos dat také - hlavně upload vynikající. Cena se mi zdá celkem přiměřená dnešní hladině. Snad jen limity FUP (mám 2048/256 - takže FUP je 8GB/měsíc) by mohly být velkorysejší, ale k tomu jistě také časem, doufám, dojde. Do minulého týdne jsem používal CDMA a to byla vážně bída a utrpení! Odhození CDMA je něco jako odhození koule na noze. ;-)))

Anonym (23.2.2006 12:50:54)

Musím se Telecomu zastat a to nejsem jeho zaměstananec. Požádal jsem si o změnu přes "moje konto" 2.2. a za 7 dní mi to zrychlili. Takže už 14 dní mi šlape ADSL doma i v kanceláři (mám dvě linky) průměrně takto: Rychlost stahování dat: 210.8 KB/sec Rychlost připojení k internetu: 1.6 Mbps Zatím bez jediného výpadku. Lokalita je Rychnov nad Kněžnou a když to porovnám s místními možnostmi WIFI připojení, tak to je nesrovnatelně rychlejší a spolehlivější. Takže jsem spokojen.

agent (23.2.2006 19:34:01)

no ja v nabidce moje konto nemam vubec moznost zrychleni.mam 512 a chci 2048,ale bohuzel.zas nadruhou stranu me vubec nefunguje Fup,tak jsem spokojenej, i kdyz nemam rychlost.aspon muzu furt a denne 1gb neni problem.

Thomas (23.2.2006 23:34:20)

Reknu vam par informaci. Delal jsem 2 mesice v CTc jako brigadnik na broadbandu. Celkem je v Usteckym telekomu asi 400 zamestnancu, z toho kazdy den je tam asi polovina. Z te poloviny je dalsi pulka brigadnici co volaji lidem domu tech lidi co vam zvedaji telefony je v jednu chvili max. 20 a to jeste kdyz mate stesti. O praze nic nevim a v Ostrave maji 2x min zamestnancu nez v Usti tak se nedivte :)

Anonym (24.2.2006 07:56:01)

No to je sice pekne, ale to mluvite pouze o operatorech helplinky. Ty ale vlastní zmeny konfigurace neprovádejí, takze nechápu účelnost vašeho příspevku

Thomas (24.2.2006 12:08:41)

Myslel jsem to tak ze nemaji dost lidi kteri by ty pozadavky v dany cas vyridili. Zmena trva sice par minut ale je jich malo. BTW. ten program ve kterym se to dela je uplne na bliti.

Pavel (25.2.2006 16:33:42)

Tohle kdyby někdo četl z Telecomu. Normálně to vypadá jak vynášení informací :)) ale bohužel máš pravdu. Bohužel je to tím, že Telecom propouští, Telefonica si s tím dělá co chce. Zaměstnanců hrozně málo a zákazníků jenom s internetem je 300000. Ohlašovna poruch denně vyřídí cca 3500 volajících a to je dost velký číslo, z toho tak 10% má poruchu případně urgenci a zbytek jen neumí nastavit modem nebo ho restartovat, tak pak se není ani čemu divit, že čekáte 40 minut než se vám někdo ozve.

Anonym (27.2.2006 14:14:56)

Takže ty jsi ten brigádník, co vykládal lidem nesmysly o tom, že ADSL budou mít zřízené do dvou dnů co ? A ty tvoje počty taky stojí za starou belu...nic nevíš o provoze , jen děláš dusno a paniku . Asi tě propustili pro neschopnost , tak se tady seberealizuješ :-))

iolid (27.2.2006 20:10:08)

tohle není vynášení informací, protože bohužel thomas opravdu nemá ponětí jak to na techhelpu iolu chodí... když si v ČTc pracoval, říká ti něco 2nd level FD IOL?

Karel (24.2.2006 11:08:54)

Přátelé, musím se chca nechca připojit! Opravdu HNUS HNUS, když Vás lakají pěkně zpívají "28/12/05 jsem se nechal zlákat jejich reklamou a již 2.ledna jsem měl rychlou službou samoinstalační balíček. 6/1/06 jsem to zaktivoval, ale hned problém s PC strážcem, dva dny mne vodili za nos s vygenerováním kódu, pak mi jej sdělili ústně a začalo to fungovat, ale jaké bylo mé překvapení, když jsem v účtu zjistil, že tam mám dva kódy a pochopitelně zpoplatněný!!! Přes veškeré urgence mi pochopitelně v účtu přišla fa. za tento zdarma nA 3 MĚSÍCE POSKYTOVANÝ PRODUKT!Minimálně dvacet mailů a spojení s jejich službou a NIC! 2.února t.r. jsem zažádal o převod rychlosti - omluva atd. ,16.2.t.r. mi to převedli a běželo to na 401 přesně týden, dnes v noci při stahování spojení vypadlo úplně a min. dvě hodiny jsem se snažil navázat spojení, když se konečně povedlo jde to na cca 117 a má urgence na horké lince k ničemu "musíme to předat technikům atd. - prostě výmluvy"! OPRAVDU JINAK NELZE HNUS HNUS. čETL JSEM LOGICKÝ PŘÍSPĚVEK, ŽE ŘEŠENÍ JE ODSTOUPIT OD SMLOUVY, ANO, ALE TO BY SE NESMĚLO JEDNAT O TAKOVÉHO DOMINANTNÍHO BASTARDA, JEN JIM PLATIT A PLATIT! ONI MOHOU VŠE A ZÁKAZNÍK AT DRŽÍ PUSU!!!

Anonym (24.2.2006 11:35:53)

Zcela víjmečně se musím taky telecomu zastat. V pátek odpoledne jsem zavolal a požádal o zrychlení služby, na telefonu mi řekli, že do 5 dní mi to pobježí a druhý den ráno jsem měl už dvoumegové připojení a bez jakýho koliv problému to bježí pořád.

Anonym (24.2.2006 12:10:06)

Tak běž taky někam..třeba na základku učit se kde se co píše

Anonym (24.2.2006 12:23:49)

Ty máž gramtyku ja mam čáry mari

Anonym (24.2.2006 19:15:07)

Ježíš marjá, když neumíš psát svojí mateřštinou, tak nikam veřejně nepiš, to je k zblití!!!

Anonym (25.2.2006 14:04:30)

S tebou jednat musi byt zazitek...lituji pracovniky na infolince.

Pavel (25.2.2006 16:29:15)

Ty si vážně lama. AZa prvý takový arogantní debílky, co ve 4 hodiny ráno volají na poruchovku bych chtěl taky slyšet. Navíc, co si asi myslíš, že by na ohlašovně poruch měli dělat? Jako vstát a jít ti to zapojit? Asi nechápeš, že na to jsou určení technici, kterým je to předáváno a ti pak řeší poruchy. Tam kam se dovoláš je jen OHLAŠOVNA! A jestli se ti to nelíbí, můžeš jít jinak. Těch možností je. A pak by mě zajímalo komu se dovoláš ve 4 ráno.

Pavel (24.2.2006 13:44:06)

Nejhorší je ,dostat se do rukou amatérů.ČESKÝ TELECOM je toho příkladem.Držte se,zrychlujeme´= Pro přechod na vyšší rychlost nemusíte udělat nic-vše zařídíme my!Mě odpojili na 5.dní a zvýšili mě rychlost z 512kb/s na 416 kb/s.Takže jsem se musel držet,zavolal jsem jim do jejich poruchovýho centra jen 4x .Poprvé jsem čekal na spojení 2.hodiny (nedozvěděl jsem se nic,nikdo mě nekontaktoval) Už se těším na přechod k Radiokomunikacím v TV je reklama.Tel 800414141.Věřím že Radiokomunikace profesionálové jsou. Pěkný den přeji všem.Pavel

Anonym (24.2.2006 13:46:36)

myslím že si teda dost počkáš

Anonym (24.2.2006 13:54:58)

já jsem spokojen, 2.2. jsem žádal o navýšení rychlosti a 4.2. už to bylo, od té doby stabilní rychlé připojení...pohoda

mr_dadi (25.2.2006 03:44:46)

migrace z 1024 -> 3072: 22 hodin nefunkcni net a ted rychlost okolo 2,4 Kbps, ping tak 20-30 ms, nemam proc si stezovat .....

Anonym (25.2.2006 14:02:29)

Kbps...hmm, zastavte lamery !!!

Mr_Dadi (25.2.2006 15:04:01)

OK priznavam chybicka se vloudila, takze jeste jednou dosahuju rychlosti 2,4 Mbps a nebo pro vyse podepsaneho anonyma 2452 Kbps .... spokojen? bych chtel vydet tebe na nocni jak ti to srotuje v pul ctvrte rano ......... trapnej anonyme co pro jistotu nenapises ani svuj nick

Killer (24.2.2006 15:21:01)

Mne to taky nejelo 5 dni (zazadano 2.2., spadlo to 3.2. a nahodili to 8.2.), prehazovali si mne jak horkej brambor. Ale ted to frci v pohode

Anonym (24.2.2006 20:28:58)

Mě to nejelo 16 dni tak si možná ješte počkáš. Navíc po 4 dnech mi rychlost zas spadla na tu předchozi hodnotu, takže 16 denní čekání na 4 denní zrychlení.

dada (25.2.2006 01:39:49)

jo tak to sme na tom asi vsichni stejne....ja zadal o zrychleni 7.2. a doted mam porad 1024/256..... a to nepocitam uz nekolikahodinovy cekani na spojeni......a par dni kdy mi nefungoval net vubec.........At zije Telecom...nejvetsi borci.....a to mam ustrednu tak 20M od domu hehe

Anonym (27.2.2006 09:52:24)

Jak souvisi vzdalenost ustredny s nefuncknosti sluzby a zrychlenim? Ustrednu muzes mit klidne pod zadkem, ale taky muzes byt pripojenej na jinou ustrednu 3km daleko.

Anonym (24.2.2006 20:39:30)

ono to zalezi jak kvalitni je ustredna,pokud je nutny upgrade tak to chvili trva nez zavedou vyssi rychlost,,ja jsem blizko,ustrdena je pomerne nova a behem par hodin jsem mel rychlost navyssenou,z 2048/256 na 4096/512,jede to dobre a jsem spokojen

sosi (24.2.2006 22:50:15)

Dnes som bol v Telecome asi okol 13.00 a o 22.00 uz som mal navysenu rychlost z 512 na 2048!!! Som spokojny, super!!!

Anonym (25.2.2006 13:53:47)

Tahni zpatky za Slovak Telekomem !

Anonym (25.2.2006 13:56:53)

Gastarbeitery poustet, az zde bude zhruba 3-5% nezamestnanost. Chce to masivni dotace do rekvalifikacnich kursu nez platit nezamestnanost.

Anonym (25.2.2006 14:00:47)

Čechy Čechům...je to naše povinnost a morální dědictví. Nesmíme připustit, aby se Národní obrození stalo zbytečností !

Anonym (25.2.2006 14:17:41)

Kdybys aspon vedel, co to bylo Narodni obrozeni, ty velkej cechu.

cile (28.2.2006 21:49:40)

No hlavně NE Čechy takovým magorům, jako jsi ty!!!

Anonym (28.2.2006 23:01:12)

Jasne, Cechy Cechum a Dojcland kybl prales... Trotle....

Anonym (28.2.2006 23:03:32)

Tak se mi zdá, že tady zopár lidiček nepochopilo zcela evidentní ironii..... ;-)))))))

Pavel (25.2.2006 16:23:10)

Umíš jen kritizovat a když ti někdo řekne kladnou zkušenost, tak jsi arogantní? To jsi větší magor než Telecom :)

crusy (25.2.2006 00:00:53)

Tak to ti závidimMám "ústřednu"cca 200m od baráku a nejede mi to víc než 715kilo!Sem zvědav kdy budou ty 2mega.

crusy (25.2.2006 00:02:47)

Jo a mimo to,to strašně,ale fakt hrozně kolísá.Když sem jel na 512kb nebyl žádnej problém.

Anonym (25.2.2006 10:12:41)

me tam u toho vrta hlavou porad ta agregace zda se mi hodne vysoka a nevim jestli si mam koupit od telecomu tu rychlost 2Mb/s. ted mam 512 a fakt nevim.poradte

Jirka (25.2.2006 13:43:08)

Ja cekam na zrychleni uz tri tydny...nikdo si nevi rady, nikdo nepomuze, volam na infolinku denne, pisu maily...bez odpovedi....vubec nevim na cem jsem....v zivote bych uz do telecomu nesel....pockam do zari a pak prchnu.Telecom nedoporucuju!!!!

Anonym (25.2.2006 13:44:08)

už abys šel

Anonym (25.2.2006 14:19:30)

A muzes cekat klidne az do cervna. Ja jsme cekal 7 dni. Zazadal jsem hned 2. 2. a 9. 2. uz to jelo a od te doby to jde 1,6-1,8 down a kolem 220-230 up.

Anonym (25.2.2006 17:10:31)

tak mi ho zrychlili za 1.5dne

Princess (25.2.2006 20:04:28)

Já žádala o zvýšení 3.2. a do dnešního dne nic. Stále tam volám a vždycky mi řeknou, že už to tak do 5 dnů bude a stále nic.

Anonym (25.2.2006 20:17:34)

tak je tam přestaň buzerovat a počkej si

Princess (26.2.2006 14:51:18)

A kdo mluvil o buzeraci, slušně se ptám jak to s tím zrychlením vypadá. Tak nemají slibovat, že to do 5 dnů zrychlí a mají na rovinu říct, že to absolutně nezvládají a že to bude trvat dýl.

hon-za (25.2.2006 22:03:39)

Je s podivem, že všichni jen nadávají ( a už nemluvím o tom , že jsou zbytečně vulgární ). Já jsem o zrychlení požádal v pátek večer a ráno mi to už bez problémů jelo. A jede to dobře. Já jsem spokojený. A nemusím hned Český telecomu nadávat. Hon-za.

Anonym (25.2.2006 22:09:03)

Pokud člověk není totální fatalista, tak těžko může být spokojený s nabídkou Telecomu poté, co si přečte třeba nabídku Českých Radiokomunikací a jejich BlueTonu. Nabídka ČT je zajímavá jen z jediného důvodu - díky mnohaletému uměle vytvořenému monopolu má ČT dráty všude, i tam, kde konkurence infrastrukturu teprve buduje, takže nezbývá nic jiného, než si říct - to, co nabízí Telecom, je pořád lepší než drátem do oka! :-((

JeNDyS (25.2.2006 22:56:49)

Přesně tak, já jsem si obědnal IE přes stránky Českýho Telecomu a asi za 3 dny mi to v pohodě šlapalo. Teď mám rychlost připojení 2048kbps a stahuju si krásně v v prohlížeči tak 230-240kb/s.

Anonym (26.2.2006 00:07:43)

me to namerilo 1821 misto 2048, ale pred tim jsem mel namereno jen 1600 a spravil to telefonat, hold jsem jim musel vysvetlit, ze ani u benzinky nedostanete sestnact litru misto dvaceti, budu volat znova o dalsich 200kbps a dostanu se na tu vyssi rychlost...

rosi (26.2.2006 06:20:13)

jestli ti jede 2mb jen 1,8mb tak tam můžeš volat 5x za hodinu ,ale těch 200kb z nich nedostaneš prostě proto že to není technicky možný.Každá nominální rychlost jede jen na 80-85%.Tak to prostě je.

mido1 (27.2.2006 23:18:35)

Ze mne to jede na 90%;) nevim cim to je,mozna ze sem od dslamu par desitek metru:)

Anonym (26.2.2006 18:42:49)

nevím jak Vás ostatní unavujou takové ty hloupé kecy že to někomu jede místo 2048 1821 a že tam bude volat tak dllouho až to dostane... třeba si někdy přečíst parametry nabízené služby... tím akorát ukazuje svou blbost.. když chceš tak si kup net s garantovanou rychlostí a né agregace 1:50 a pak si stěžuj...

Anonym (26.2.2006 18:47:34)

Ale tohle není způsobené agregací,ale servisními daty v paketech (zdrojová a cílová adresa atd.),ty si také něco přečti o TCP/IP protokolu a o fungování internetu.

Anonym (26.2.2006 18:56:01)

hele ty jsi jeden z těch co je chytrý a ví všechny hovadiny ohledně dsl. akorát že mluvíš úplně o něčem jiném než na co jsem reagoval já... když si něko koupí(spíš to koupí za něj rodiče protože on je pubertální adolescent) net za 700 kde má jasně napsané že je to s agregací a začne štěkat po někom na telecomu že mu to nejede těch 2048 ale jen 1800 tak je u mě magor.. a jestli se ho zastáváš i ty tak jsi magor taky, protože nepotřebuju znát technologii internetu abych nepochopil co je agregace..

Anonym (26.2.2006 19:07:22)

Jenže to je právě ono: 2048 kbit/s linková rychlost je cca 1700 kbit/s datová rychlost a je to způsobené zapouzdřením paketů do ATM,PPP,IP a TCP.Teprve tato datová rychlost se může,ale také nemusí snížit díky agregaci.A o dsl toho vím určitě víc než ty. :)

Anonym (27.2.2006 18:55:22)

tak mu řekni tomu na kterého jsem reagoval že prostě z toho 2048 nevytáhne i kdyby prcal s majitelem telecomu.

iolid (27.2.2006 19:54:16)

ad zapouzreni do atm: co kdyz je na ethernetu?(: jen takova pripominka, jinak samozrejme souhlasim...(:

CCCP (27.2.2006 20:03:51)

Tak až ti to po nějakym telefonatu zvednou na oněch 2048 tak zavolej:DDDDD

Anonym (26.2.2006 01:40:42)

A proč by si nadaval, když ti to jede hned druhej den. Copak tady někdo takovej je? To je opravdu s podivem.

fff (26.2.2006 13:39:38)

skurvenej telecom neni schopnej na p13 navisit kapacitu v ustredne aby mohli ucastnici obednavat adsl! pry az v 8 mesici!!!!!!!!!!!!! tak jsem se nane vysral a vzal to od czfree parada 1,5 mb uplne bez limitu za 1000 o telecom ani nezakopnu

Anonym (26.2.2006 13:53:24)

Tak proč na ně nadáváš?Díky nim máš teď lepší připojení.Buď jim za to vděčný.

petr (26.2.2006 14:26:22)

Já jsem s Telekomem velice spokojenej řekl bych že mě až překvapili 24.2. večer jsem požádal o zvýšení a ráno to běželo spokojenost spokojenost spokojenost to je jediné co mohu na firmu telekom říci

Luboš (27.2.2006 16:13:18)

Já jsem s Telekomem taky spokojen. Za tři dny po zavolání o zvýšení to do třech dnů to běželo (Celkem fajn).

LOL (9.1.2007 20:14:31)

telekomunisti si stejně nic jinýho než nadávky nezasloužej fuj na něj

vaclav (25.2.2006 23:15:25)

Plně podporuju. Já o zrychlení požádal 4.2. do dnešního dne nic. Po několika telefonátech vím toto: neprochází nám to systémem, předáme technikům, apod. Nepíšu zde příspěvek, protože bych byl takovej nedočkavec. Jde mi o to, že CTc nejedná fér, není přece možné aby někdo požádál 4.2. a do 25.2. nic, mimochodem zavoláte-li na infolinku jasně slyšíte "bude navýšená do 5 dnů", což lze dle mého soudu považovat za veřejný příslib (§ 850 obč. zak.) a možná by to stálo i za žalobu, a někdo požádá 22.2 a 23.2. už má. Jakou má výsadu, se ptám. Naprosto běžný postup je, že žádosti se vyřizujou v pořadí v jakém došly. Ovšem tady to neplatí! Argument - mají toho mnoho - nestíhají, beru, tak ať to neslibujou, anebo ať zrychlujou v pořadí v jakém se požádalo. Jak k tomu příjdu já, že někdo má za 599,- 2 Mb a někdo 512 kb, přitom jsem požádal o zvýšení o několik týdnu spíš. Narhl jsem Telecomu ať mi tedy po těch 5 dnech, které má zrychlení trvat, sníži cenu na hodnotu, kterou má ten kdo požádal o zvýšení na 512 kb a už to má (399,-). Samozřejmě - nelze. Co k tomu dodat. Snad jej díky za to, že máme konkurenci a CTc se časem vytrestá sám úbytkem zákazníků.

Pedro (27.2.2006 08:03:50)

Rozhodně žadný pořadník neexistuje, to je směšná myšlenka, tyto věci zpracovává automat. systém, vše proběhne hladce pokud se obj. v systému nezasekne, což může mít tisíc důvodů, kazdopádně tam nikde nesedí záškodník, který Vám úmyslně i-net nechce zrychlit a cíleně z Vás tahá peníze.

František (27.2.2006 09:37:34)

A co se děje s těmi "zaseklými" objednávkami, proč nejsou vyřízeny v řádu dnů, ale týdnů, a to až po urgencích a intervencích?

vaclav (27.2.2006 18:40:26)

Že neexistuje pořadník jsem si ověřil na vlastní kůži, ale to není a ani nebůže být omluvou. A co je na té myšlence směšného už vůbec nechápu, bral bych ještě argument, že některé žádosti nelze vyřídit automatizovaně a potřebují zásah lidského činitele. Ale v tom případě 1) nechť CTc na své informační lince uvede "rychlost bude navýšená do 5 dnů, POKUD SE U VAS NEVYSKYTUJE JEDEN Z TĚCHTO 1000 DůVODů (a uvest důvody, nebo případně odkaz na informační zdroj) - mimochodem by mě zajímalo co by to mohly být za důvody, alespoň 100; 2) jak se ukazuje migraci lze provést bez problému v řádu dnů, dokonce i hodin, tak mi řekněte co se s tou mou objednávkou děje od 4.2., kdy "asi" neprošla systémem - to tam jeden člověk sedí a tři týdny uvažuje co s tím udělá ?????????? ( nebo je to tak složité, že to necháme třeba na duben????????); 3) jsou-li tedy objektivní důvody, proč nelze migraci provést v deklarované lhůtě, proč ten systém nepošle informační mail - LITUJEME VYČKEJTE (že by to snad neuměl); 4) zavinil jsem ty problémy sám - ANo - budiž budu čekat, ale pokud ne a jsou na straně CTc a ja k nim přišel jako "slepý k houslím" proč CTc nesníží cenu služby tak jak ji mají ostatní - tomu taky brání technické problémy?????? NE, jen by klesl zisk. Vám by nevadilo tankovat do auta benzín za 30 kč/l když už měsíc ostatním prodávají za 20kč/l, ja myslím že vadilo. A dalších argumentů by se ještě našlo. Dle mého soudu to celé zavání klientivismem, a příčí se to dobrým mravům. Ja když něco slíbím a nesplním, tak se alespoň omluvím.

Sergey (27.2.2006 19:00:13)

S tím benzínem je to velmi špatné přirovnání, ale když už jsi je použil, zůstanu u něho a opravím tě. Oni platí v podstatě víc za litr benzinu (1GB dat), jen jim teče do nádrže silnější hadicí(a v tom já osobně výhodu nevidím). A s tím "klientiVIsmem" NO COMMENT

vaclav (28.2.2006 05:24:38)

Nesouhlasím, rychlost dané služby je nejvýraznější parametr od kterého se odvíjí cena. Množství dat nemusí hrát takovou roli. Jsou tarify bez FUP a mají rozdílnou cenu. A pokud jde o mě, já se nedostanu ani na polovinu limitu. V mém případě jako by ani nebyl.TAkže s tím benzínem je to velmi dobré přirovnání a není jej potřeba opravovat. Máte však právo na svůj názor. Klientivismus beru zpět, OK. Nahrazuji klientismem.

Sergey (28.2.2006 22:27:59)

O významnosi konkrétníko parametru služby bychom se asi neshodli, každý máme jiné priority. Já osobně mám radši k obědu pořádnou porci na obyčejném talíři, než dětskou na stříbrném.

LOL (9.1.2007 20:08:42)

vážně? o tom by se dalo dost silně pochybovat o tom záškodníkovy nezapomínej že se bavíme o O2 šmejdech

Anonym (25.2.2006 23:16:37)

Netusite, kdy resetujou FUP? Pac mi pripada ze mi ho ted nekdy zase zresetovali...

Pedro (27.2.2006 07:59:08)

FUP se resetuje v noci ze ctvrtek na pátek, ale u novych tarifu (prodej od 1.2.2006) uz plati reset FUP jednou mesicne tzn. k prvnímu

mido1 (27.2.2006 23:10:05)

To sice je jednou za mesic,ale mne to resetujou porad po tydnu...mam Ideal 2Mb,limit 8GB a kazdej tejden sem stahnul asi 10GB a FUP jaksi nic:) jinak nejsem zadnej stahovac,ale jen vyuzivam chyby Telecomu:)

Anonym (2.3.2006 11:42:58)

Ja taktez, proto se ptam...

Honza (26.2.2006 22:23:56)

Mam taky doce podstatnej problem.Měl sem linku 1mb/s,žádal sem o zvíšení na 3mb/s.Je pravda že sem to přez noc měl hotový,ale fungovalo to jenom 2 dny a pak rychlost klesla zničeho nic na 700-800 Kb/s.Operátoři mi tvrdily když sem si ztěžoval že to je přetíženim linky,ale jede to stejnou rychlostí i v noci.Prej to předaj technikum,ale ty ani za 3 dny nebyli zchopný zavolat.Ale stačilo napsat mejl že to pude do medií a během 30 minut už vooal technik.Ale tem mi stejně řek že to pošle dalšim technikum.Telekom je prostě banda děsnejch de..lů kteří slibujou,ale skutek utek.Holt od Telekomu ruce dál!

Anonym (27.2.2006 09:46:17)

PÁNOVÉ, NEŽ VÁŠ PŘÍSPĚVEK ODEŠLETE, ALESPOŇ HO Z ÚCTY K OSTATNÍM LIDEM OPRAVTE!! JE TO VAŠE VIZITKA!!!! ALESPOŇ DUŠEVNÍ :). A DÁLE - JE NAPROSTO LOGICKÉ, ŽE KAŽDÝ SYSTÉM POTŘEBUJE ČAS NA ODLADĚNÍ!!!! NĚKTEŘÍ ÚCHYLOVÉ ZDE BUDOU NADÁVAT, I KDYBY MĚLI NET ZDARMA. PS.: NEJSEM PRACOVNÍKEM ŽLUTÉHO ĎÁBLA - PARDON, VLASTNĚ TÉLEFONIKY. Jaké máte při testování výpadky spojení? U nás to dělá v průměru 200 - 500 ms. Pro IP.tel. to není moc dobré. Při plné agregaci, která u našeho DSL-amu nastvá asi od 11.00 - 16.30 to bývá 300 - 500 ms., občas i 1-1.5 s, v noci se to zlepší na 120 - 200 ms. Ztrátovost paketů 3%, což je mnoho. Asi je vyhazují v praze, když uzel nestíhá. Jsem s pozdravem, a dobré QOS. :)

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petr (27.2.2006 20:45:52)

jak to tady ctu tak z nojim wifi sem na tom oproto vam uplne na nejake jine urovni. platim 400 mesicne(i s DPH) a mam rychlost kolem 1.5 Mbit. neomezene stahovani(akorat od 10 do 10 nejdou p2p), pingy na seznam pod 30 ms, na google pod 50 ms,0% ztráta proste parada tak se rád ze sme zrusili pevnou linku a dali se cestou ktera ma smysl a ne na adsl :-)

Anonym (28.2.2006 18:10:58)

(akorat od 10 do 10 nejdou p2p), a tomu říkáš neomezeně?

Anonym (1.3.2006 09:40:18)

né každý je stahovač!

Anonym (1.3.2006 19:49:14)

já netvrdím že je stahovač, ale když řekne že je neomezená tak si pod tím slovem představím něco co není blokované a né že mu zakážou přístup někde...

Pokušitel (27.2.2006 12:51:12)

Mám požádáno o navýšení od 2.2. a ne a ne zmigrovat. Napadla mě finta. Našel jsem číslo na mobil přímo na technika ČTc, který mi před časem řešil problém s nefungováním služby. Byl jsem připraven mu "dát na pivko". Nebylo to nutné. Už to frčí! Závěr: místo těch nešťastníků na hotlinkách by měl ČTc zveřejnit seznam kompetentních lidí...

Mila (1.3.2006 18:43:17)

Presne tak...na zrizeni ADSL jsem cekal asi 3 mesice a kdybych nakonec vec neresil "pres zname znamych" tak cekam stale. Je docela paradox, ze mi mezitim zaklepali na dvere tri ruzni dealeri od CTc nabizejici ADSL...tak nevim. Na call centrum nema smysl volat vubec...nic nevi a nebo lzou a kdyz je pristihnete, tak to hodi na nekoho jineho (slibi, ze kompetentni clovek zavola, coz se samozrejme nestane). Mam 1mbit a migraci se taky pokusim od zacatku unora (o permanentni poruse smtp serveru ani nemluve)...porad nic...pry to resi a URCITE se mi nekdo ozve...No nic jdu jim zase zavolat ...No ale jinak to slape moc dobre ;o)

-arne- (27.2.2006 16:09:14)

Nebreč! Buď rád že jsi u Telecomu tam máte aspoň pružný ceny, u Nextry lze změnit službu jen JEDNOU ZA ROK a pak i kdyby byla sleva třeba 50% musim furt platit plnou palbu až do konce období... Zlatej stříbrnej Telecom, co já bych za něj dal!

Fanda (28.2.2006 13:54:55)

Ty si dobrej psychopat... Já jedu na ADSL od telecomu už 3/4 roku a nevíš jak moc se těším, až mi vyprší smlouva... CT ukážu záda a frrr k volnýmu... ty howada co si dovolujou u telekomu, to je neskutečný... mně už internet týden funguje jak když nefunguje... pořád se mi odpojuje modem, nebo se pro změnu nepřihlásí vůbec. Obvykle mi ten net šlape tak 10-15 minut a pak zas na 2 hodiny mám šlus... Ale když po telekomu tak toužíš, posluž si;)

Impressive (2.3.2006 22:26:04)

FANDA: souhlasim presne to samy mam ja s tou smlouvou az to vyprsi tak okamzite bye.... ale aspon se mi to neodpojuje! ale rychlost jak na modemu za 1300Kc mesicne se dost :D

Anonym (27.2.2006 17:52:52)

prostě je nemám rád,zejtra du v Jičíně do prodejny je zkopat,páč i když mě dvakrát ujišťovali že nebudu platit tak platim 700,hovory s pracovníkama maj nahraný,mně bylo řečeno že navíc platit nebudu a platim....chce se ke mně zejtra někdo v Jičíně přidat?? ;-)

Lojza (27.2.2006 18:47:58)

já jsem to zrychlení aktivoval na moje konto a třetí den už to jelo...

Dvojče (27.2.2006 20:17:23)

Mě to zrychlili též do třetího dne a byla to pohoda. Jenomže po týdnu mi to opět zpomalili na původní rychlost. Snažili se mi namluvit, že jsem zavirovanej atd. a slibovanej technik nevolá. A dovolat se na technickou podporu dnes vůbec nelze....

shark.jd (27.2.2006 21:20:07)

Lidi Internet Expres od Telecomu je uplna s... Nedivte se ze vam klesa rychlost kdxz to ma agregaci 1:50 a ty datovy limity jsou uplne hrozny po 1 GB uz se vam znatelne zpomaly net, proste debilni Telecom. Prepnete na WIFI a budte O.k

Anonym (27.2.2006 22:39:57)

Přepněte na wi-fi a nepojede vam to vubec:DDD hochu wifinu sem měl chvíli a asi bych neměnil,každou chvíli to nejelo,jednou to bylo pomalý,jednou rychlý....

xx85 (28.2.2006 11:40:58)

Já mám taky Wifi, a je to šit, akorát jsem v loni udělal tu blbost že jsem to podepsal na dva roky, takže si asi počtu podmínky vypovědění smlouvy a jdu do ADSL, akorát ne teda od telecomu.

mido1 (27.2.2006 23:03:09)

Tak kdyz ti nestaci 1GB,tak si porid jinej tarif;)

LOL (9.1.2007 19:57:15)

ty lamko ty seš dobrej taryf a víš kolik stojí Wi_fi oproti ADSL? adsl bez limitu 2-3 Mbit tak nějakech 1500? a Wi-Fi tak nějakejch 300-400? celkem rozdíl co?

Martx (27.2.2006 22:29:14)

Tak neco z trochu jineho soudku...2.2. jsem objednal navyseni Sprintu na 3072 kbps a po kazdotydenni telefonni urgenci mi to dnes, t.j. 27.2. aktivovali bez vypadku. Toz nyni jedu agregovanych 2,5 Mbps a to jsem zhruba 5 km od ustredny. Diky CT.

spykee (28.2.2006 18:14:39)

hmm tak to se divím já jsem od ústředny 3070metrů a na telecomu mi řekla baba že je u mě max rychlosrt 2048. abych mohl mít 3072kbps tak bych musel být od ústředny max 3000m.. super co... hmm ael nevím jak to udělají s tou migrací když mám sprint 1024... to bude ještě sranda

Martx (28.2.2006 21:38:11)

Tak to se nenech odradit, pri sve vzdalenosti taham v prumeru 330kB/s. Jen jestli to neni ve tvem pripade plne obsazeny DSLAM a agregace jako remen...

spykee (1.3.2006 19:55:59)

to né,, mi nejde o rychlost ale spíš o ty data... já si ten sprint dával protože měl docela víc GB na stažení než ten ideal.. a abych dával 1300 za neomezenou 2048 to se, mi taky nechce protože já se do těch 12gb vlezu přesně... a navíc za rok to udělá pěkný vítr v peněžence... takže sám čekám kdy to příjde:o)) a leták z telecomu mi přišel jak majlem tak poštou, že se nemám o nic starat a navýší mi to ze sprintu na sprint:o)

Earnil (28.2.2006 22:50:39)

Ono totiž taky závisí na tom, co je tam za DSLAM, jaký tam máš parametry a tak. Pokud by ti to náhodou nešlo a šlo jen na 2Mbit, tak ti navrhnou příslušnou změnu smlouvy.

Martin Farek (28.2.2006 10:14:19)

V televizi cucim na jejich vesele reklamy 4x rychleji atd., a mi to uz od 2006-02-22 nefunguje vubec, nekam se dovolat nema zadny smysl, tak asi odmenujou zakazniky, kteri jim plati 1400 mesicne 2 roky. Dovolat se na technickou podporu je tak na 1/2 hodiny nez to nekdo zvedne a to se dozvim, ze o tom vi, ale nemohou s tim nic udelat a nevi kdy to bude opravene, tak to mame skoro uz tyden. Timto me dozrali natolik ze s nema koncim navzdy.

Hanuš (28.2.2006 12:33:19)

Lidi. varuju všechny před zřizováním Internetu od poskytovatele Českýho TELECOMU. Jednají neseriozně a účtují si věci, který si člověk neobjednal. Mám s nimi hrozný problémy už delší dobu. Chytáme ve větším měřítku podání žaloby. Ozvěte se kdo máte s nimi problémy, špatná vyúčtování, nesposkytování avizovaných služeb v potřebném rozsahu apod. xscorpio@centrum.cz

Karel (28.2.2006 17:21:07)

Zdravím, jsem zcela stejného názoru, od počátku neserioznost, lhaní, účtování položek, které nemají být účtované a to přes opětovné upozornění a podání stížnosti a za to vše mne již týden "trestají:stále vypadává spojení, rychlost místy i 69Kbps atd." Hrůza a běs! Rád se připojím, prfotože to skutečně je již horší jak "Paroubek", jaký pán takový krám!!! Ozvu se Ti na mail. Je třeba se spojit a tak se snad dosáhne více, protože jinak jsou schopni všeho!!! To je možné jen v Česku!

Petr (28.2.2006 23:45:06)

To vypadávání spojení mám také s modem Asus.Každou chvilku se mi to zasekne a nejde.Na linkach hledali chybu pokažde ve me,v počítači a přesně po dvou letech a 8 dnech mi jeden konečně sdělil,že tyhle modemy mají poruchy,přehřívají se.Byl jsem ho tedy ještě reklamovat,vratili mi ho s tím,že je vše v pořádku a nahráli nový firmeware.Během těchto 14 dní jsem měl pujčený jiný modem,který mi ani jednou nepřestal jít.Rychlost je sice tragická od vetšinou 600-2400 vyjimečně.Prumer je tak do jednoho kbs.Ted mam vraceny Asus a už jsem zase byl 20 minut bez spojeni,musel jsem vyndat ze zasuvky pak vlezt do modemu a dat diagnostiku,kterou se mi to zase zprovoznilo.Hrůza hruzoucí!!!!!!!!

Bohdan (3.3.2006 10:32:43)

Jaky je to modem ? Pokud Asus 6310, tak bude problem s firmware a nebo nastaveni IP filtru. mrknul bych na www.joyce.cz je tam diskuse a navody, jak pomoci. Jinak ja doporucuji opustit modem Asus a koupit neco jineho. Ja to zmenil na Zyxel a mam klid. Preklad adres, firewall, jednoduse nastavitelne a fungujici.

Nickname (1.3.2006 19:41:39)

Mám trochu podobnou a přesto odlišnou zkušenost.Navýšení proběhlo do 5 pracovních dnů to bylo všechno v pohodě,ale co čert nechtěl už je tady.Mám v plánu objednat službu IE Maxi z původního IE Ideal a co nevidím dnes ve správě konta a následně po ověření na tel.číslo linky.Mám dostupný pouze IE Sprint.Je to hovadina neboť ještě minulý týden byl dostupný IE Maxi a taky linka po restartu modemu stále faká 4096/512 kb/s. Tak nevím jestli to tam zas ten nějakých jejich brigádník zkopnul v počítači a zařadil mě do jiné skupiny.Ústřednu mám pouze 1 km +- pár desítek metrů od domu.Takže do 3,4km pásma se vlezu určitě.Je to od nich fakt super,že takto vydrbou s každým,kdo jim vlastně sám od sebe dává slušně vydělat!! Nic čekám na CATV.

Anonym (2.3.2006 14:03:33)

Konečně rozumnej nazor,sam proti Telecomu nikdo nic nezmůže,ale ve více lidech byste je nakopat mohli...ja jdu příští týden něco reklamovat,ale když se to nepovede du do toho s váma,držim vám palce!!!

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JirkaV (2.3.2006 11:29:34)

Mé zkušenosti jsou také negativní, krömě jedné linky přes ulici od ústředny (max 50 m kabelem). Pokud je to dále než 500 m, je šíření vysokofrekvenčních modulací na nizkofrekvenčním vedení zcela nejisté, proto na toto spojení nelze dávat už z principu garanci, ale to dobře ví v CT. Přesto se tato technologie dát použít jistou mírou pravěpodobností provozu tj. kolem 90% to je ale globální číslo 9 lidí 100% a jeden klidně 0%) . Horší je to, že reakce na výpadky spojení, problémy s provozem jsou velmi, velmi mírně řečeno neprofesionální. Reklama CT pro národ udělá své a zodpovědnost za službu je velmi nízká. CT není živnostník , ale koncern.

Anonym (2.3.2006 11:55:31)

Na DSL se dává běžně garance při zřizování pronajatých linek. ADSL nezřídí telecom také jen tak bez proměření. Jinak dnes se běžně i telefonní dráty při instalaci proměřují na 1Mhz. Použitelnost a spolehlivost je o řád vyšší než třeba u wifi. A jako jinde je dána především koncovým zařízením zákazníka.

Anonym (3.3.2006 10:36:15)

tak to teda kecas kamarade, při zřizování pronajatých linek a ADSL jsou uplne jine postupy a garance....

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Antonín (2.3.2006 13:54:10)

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Anonym (2.3.2006 19:33:14)

navíšení je na nic , po navíšení mám horší rychlost než před navíšením a toto je prý vysokorychlostní internet Rychlost stahování dat: 1.6 KB/sec Rychlost připojení k internetu: 13.1 Kbps Rychlost odezvy (ping): nezjištěno

radefast (2.3.2006 19:52:08)

No ja nevim ja sem to mnel navysene za noc, stahuji krasne za noc celou 5.6 gigovou hru.Ja sem spokojen.

jimik (2.3.2006 21:28:35)

njn, asi se začíná projevovat agregace :)

Impressive (2.3.2006 22:16:50)

Zdrawim vsechny spokojene zakazniky adsl, mezi ktere nepatrim.... Mam podobny pripad jako tady mc.) me to sice zrychlil hend 2 den ale 3 den uz to bylo zpět na puvodni rychlosti.... ted jiz 2 dny my "jde" internet rychlosti (slovo rychlost je v teto souvislosti smešné) kolek 50kb/s což je slusny kdyz mam mit 3mb/s Telecom me opet presvedcil ze nikdy se nezmeni tak je cas zmenit providera! zdar all

Anonym (3.3.2006 12:58:01)

me to sice trvalo 13 dni nez mi to zrychlili,ale za to mi to porad jede tak jak ma...mam 3Mb a pod 2.5 Mb mi to skoro nikdy nejde...stahuju okolo 350 KB/sec..takze jsem spokojenej

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3.306 7,52hod - rychlost 725 kilo.Už sem volal na Tcm,prej se na to podívaj.Rychlost nejde přes 750,uploud naopak kolem 500 a víc.Měl bych mít 2048/256.

Anonym (3.3.2006 08:54:46)

Zažádal jsem, za 5 dnů 4096/512, NAPROSTÁ spokojenost, pingy 20-30, lagy nejsou, co ctít víc?, díky, Telefoniko!!!!

Anonym (12.10.2006 21:08:39)

mam stejnej tarif ping 8-9 ms

Anonym (12.10.2006 21:46:12)

ono zalezi na co pingujete.. ja mam u CRa 9-10ms na nix.cz

Anonym (3.3.2006 19:46:24)

mně teda net zrychlili po 45 minutách.byl sem spokojenej,ale jenom do doby,než sem zjistil,že ve šmejdskym Kontě se zrušil závazek...holt když jim mám poslat 700 za vypovězení závazku tak to sou rychlí:(...jinak až bude možnost,odcházím k Bluetone,jejich limit 5 GB na 512/128 ADSL je něco jinýho než 1 GB u žlutýho sráče

LOL (9.1.2007 19:40:36)

sračky sou to všichny 5GB je stejně málo ale ten žlutej je největší sráč ze všech

jaryn (10.1.2007 10:21:09)

Pro notorické stahovače to je zcela určitě málo. Většíně normálních uživatelů by to mohlo stačit. Apropo - co je to ten "žlutej sráč"?

Anonym (16.10.2006 19:33:48)

tohle adsl je hnus a hnus furt mi to vypadava mam 2 mb net si lita v rozmezi 200-400 kpbs upload 30 ping 170 no fuj

Anonym (16.10.2006 19:34:07)

pozn:fup nemam

Anonym (18.10.2006 14:36:31)

Mne to zrychlili po mesici, a to jsem tam kazdy den volal :)

Anonym (18.10.2006 18:52:12)

me po 25 minutach

ppetr (18.10.2006 19:24:00)

me asi 2 nebo 3 dny potom co jsem o to zazadal bylo to nekdy kolem 12.2

Anonym (21.10.2006 00:06:23)

Dementi. Co tu řešíte? Podívejte se na datum napsání článku!

Pája (20.10.2006 13:04:35)

No vidíš. Mně to zrychlili po 13 minutách, co jsem odeslal v "Moje Konto" žádost o zrychlení ;)

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Fanin (2.1.2007 08:50:27)

Pry bude O2 zlevnovat ADSL. Kolega si chtel ADSL objednat 30.12.2006 a pani mu rekla, jestli jeste muze vydrzet, tak at vydrzi...:)) Nevite o tom neco ?

MR (2.1.2007 17:06:15)

Tak to zlevňování by mě taky zajímalo. Snad konečně pozitivní zpráva.

LOL (9.1.2007 19:37:52)

ha ha zlevňování ADSL no to je fakt LOL... někdo si to asi špatně přečet nebylo t náhodou zdražování?

frasko (2.1.2007 12:27:33)

ja si taky pred tydnem menil rychlost porad nic pry to trva deset dni

vilik (9.1.2007 18:44:11)

Tak to já zase můžu v tomhle směru chválit. V neděli v 17 hodin telefonicky objednáno ADSL. Večer v 19 hodin přišel potvrzovací mail s uživatelským jménem a heslem. V pondělí v 9.00 služba aktivována. V úterý dopoledne přišel poštou mobilní telefon, který byl jako dárek k ADSL. Co na to říct?

LOL (9.1.2007 19:35:48)

co na to říct? jen LOL! že je to celý český ADSL vyděračstvý a předražený jak prase!!! a nezáleží na poskytovateli všichni jsou stejný bez výjimky

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...příklad toho, že po nových zákaznících jdou jak panna po prvním klukovi a že na ty staré kašlou...

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mam dotaz ohledne kyslikovskeho netu: ti co ho mate, mate krome mesicniho limitu jeste nejaky tydenni vubec nevysvetleny limit? Ja mam 3Mbps mesicni limit myslim ze po navyseni 20GB ale mam tam taky nejaky 1,5GB limit na tyden, ktery meri v intervalu patek az ctvrtek. Neni to nejaka chyba? btw nechci slyset odpoved jako hnus..peklo..ale nejak inteligentne....dik moc

Anonym (17.1.2007 08:11:00)

Nic takoveho neni ...

Fg (17.1.2007 17:27:41)

tim chces rict ze zadny tydenni limit nemas?

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